Cannot view terminal in ubiquity

Asked by NickNackGus

When installing Ubuntu, there is a drop-down arrow that displays a terminal. However, the only line displayed is the one with the cursor, and the window cannot be resized to show anything useful. Therefore, the terminal here is useless. Please fix this.

This is without a doubt a job for people already in charge of designing the installer.

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marcobra (Marco Braida) (marcobra) said :
#1

Seems the default behavior of this utility if you want see more about install error if there are any please press

ctrl + alt + f1

and then to return to installer screen press

ctrl + alt + f7

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#2

Applications running in the GUI can't take control of the terminals accessible by Ctrl + Alt + <#1-6>. There's just no way to write code to do that (as far as I know). In any event, I wouldn't call that good design.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
#3

Install guake, you ca now hide and show a terminal with F12 (by default, is changable). You can set a command running and hide it and the command will continue to execute. Very handy.

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Colin Watson (cjwatson) said :
#4

This is bug 830946. We obviously don't intend people to switch to tty1 or whatever by hand - as you observe that would be terrible design. It's a bug.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#5

In response to #3,

You can't install applications to a live CD. Period. Even if that application DOES help. Judging by your description, gauke would not solve this problem, but could be very helpful for running a terminal in general.

Try not to get off topic, please. This is a bug in ubiquity's design.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#6

I just realized this was a duplicate. #1 is correct from a debugging standpoint, but could have informed me that this was a duplicate in the first place.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#7

Ignore what I said in #6, I didn't recognize my own bug.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
#8

You can actually install apps to the liveCD, they just aren't maintained between reboots.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#9

@actionparsnip
I didn't know that, and I'll have to keep it in mind on my next install.

Still, I need an ubiquity designer to fix the interface. Although, for all I know, it might work properly in 12.04.

I haven't really had a problem installing Ubuntu before, or at the moment for that mater. I just like to know that Ubuntu is still being installed, and what part it is installing. That way I don't give up on an install attempt too early.

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Launchpad Janitor (janitor) said :
#10

This question was expired because it remained in the 'Open' state without activity for the last 15 days.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#11

I tried the Ubuntu 12.04 beta, the problem is actually WORSE. Someone screwed up the account import dialog as well. You can now only see one account at a time during import. At least one interface designer needs to be removed from the team.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
#12

Well yeah, Precise is pre-release. It is not ready and not stable...

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#13

Stability isn't the problem, it's the interface design. So far, I haven't seen any major stability issues in Precise, but I've only started testing.

The issue here is that Ubiquity's interface prevents valuable information from being displayed. This can be fixed by making the boxes for account import and terminal output large enough to display something useful, or by allowing the window to be resized to fit more information in the window.

The window size as it is for Ubiquity and the settings manager are fixed at a size that is useless for desktops and laptops because it is always too small, and it is useless for mobile devices because it is too large. All windows MUST scale.

Oh, and using CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't work in Precise. I haven't tried it in earlier versions and don't plan to.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#14

How do I link this to affected projects? This bug affects:
ubiquity
the settings manager (I can't find the command, finding commands was much easier with 10.10 and earlier)
ubuntu 11.10
ubuntu 12.04 BETA (MUST BE FIXED BEFORE RELEASE, prevents account import)

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
#15

CTRL+ALT+F1 does work in Precise.I have it installed here and it works.

I suggest you log a bug for the issues you have identified. Precise is not ready and not stable.

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Colin Watson (cjwatson) said :
#16

I believe the ubiquity bugs mentioned here are fixed in daily builds.

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Best Colin Watson (cjwatson) said :
#17

Specifically the account import bug is definitely fixed, and is now subject to automatic testing as well to ensure the problem doesn't recur (it was obviously not a deliberate design decision, but an unintentional side-effect of another change). I'm fairly sure that the embedded terminal bug is fixed too, although I can't double-check that from here.

I wish people would stop going on about Ctrl-Alt-F1 - it's a ridiculous approach to this!

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#18

@Colin Watson

Judging by what you're saying, the Beta coming out at the end of March should fix this mess entirely! And yes, I agree with you on Ctrl+Alt+F1. It's madness!

Granted, the idea of a fullscreen terminal isn't all that bad. I've used it to test custom shell scripts. Having an application take over a terminal is just a dumb idea, though.

You seem quite knowledgable in this area. Do you know how to write a custom install disk? I'd like to at least be able to create an install CD for my favorite applications. One of the shell scripts I mentioned automatically installs them if started as root, but it still has to spend several hours getting the software. Downloading programs one at a time over WiFi isn't efficient by any means.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#20

Thanks! (I probably should have asked that side-question elsewhere, though...)

Now I think I'm pretty much all set. I'll call this problem solved when the next beta comes out, if it works.

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Launchpad Janitor (janitor) said :
#21

This question was expired because it remained in the 'Open' state without activity for the last 15 days.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#22

Bumping this bug due until next Beta is released.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#23

Pressed wrong button, now this should last until I can test the Beta, and I'm confident it will then be fixed. I just hope I have a good reason to be optimistic.

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svens (svens) said :
#24

what all this big fuss with x-quity, gnome shell and stuff?
why can't people switch to another DE?

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#25

...
sven, this question has nothing to do with x-quity, gnome shell, or and DE. Try looking at another question. Or a forum. But please, not here.

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#26

Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 2 has resized the Account import area to fill the majority of the window again! Not only that, but opening the terminal shows TWO lines of commands! Not exactly 10+ commands so you can watch them fly by, but I'll take what I can get at this point. I hope this release is more stable than the last two, and that my current computers make it through the next 18 days. 12.04 is coming up fast!

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NickNackGus (nicknackgus) said :
#27

Thanks Colin Watson, that solved my question.