stream lined installer for 3rd party apps

Asked by jayw654

one major thing that ALL versions of linux needs is a standardized method of 3rd party applications, I don't give a crap that each distro wants to different from the other. All i want is for all the distro's to agree on a SINGLE standardize way of doing installs where the command line is NOT needed during any part of the installation. I want to able to double click an rpm, urpm or what ever is deemed as the "exec or install" file. The method that is used now only turns people away from wanting to use the product. Trust me people want to get away from windows but the only reason they don't is because of all the command line crap. People want ease of use and will learn later. Until this hapens linux will always be 3rd for an operating system, actually in this order Windows, Mac, and Linux. Yup mac is second even though is is still a sort of form of linux, why? because it's easy to use. Ease of use sells, this is not an opion this is a FACT. So, since this suppose to be a question, when is this going to happen? When is Ubuntu going to step up to the plate and develope what has been needed so many years and build a full out stremlined installer that works much like the windows installer?

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jayw654 (jayw654) said :
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until then i'm forced to stick with windows.

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Bhavani Shankar (bhavi) said :
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You can try automatix2......http://www.getautomatix.com/ and installation instructions can be found from
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation
for brief intro of automatix pls refer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatix_(software)
br,
Bhavani Shankar.

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Kiwinote (kiwinote) said :
#3

Please do read through http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html before using automatix.

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Hugo Heden (hugoheden) said :
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I agree with what you're saying, though for me it is not a showstopper -- I'll use Ubuntu anyway.

If you're interested, do read the blog posts by Ian Murdock (who founded Debian) addressing the same issues, although from the perspective of the Independent Software Vendors, ISV:s, (rather than the users): Software vendors should have a way to package their programs in such a way that it works on all Linux distributions. To have to make a different package for all different distros just isn't cost effective.

"[...] Anyone who has ever installed software on Linux is familiar with this song and dance. If it’s in your distro of choice, you’re only an apt-get or a yum install away from running it. But if not, you’d better know what you’re doing, have a lot of patience, and understand how to construct effective Google search terms. (And, no, moving everything into the distribution is not a very good option. Remember that one of the key tenets of open source is decentralization, so if the only solution is to centralize everything, there’s something fundamentally wrong with this picture.) [...]"

"[...] our goal is to create a vibrant third party software ecosystem around Linux—you know, like the one Microsoft has built around Windows. No, it’s not about imitating Microsoft. It’s about being competitive. A platform is only as good as the applications that run on it.[...]"

http://ianmurdock.com/?p=388

http://ianmurdock.com/?p=391

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jayw654 (jayw654) said :
#5

i've used automatix before it's not the same and requires using a command
line, i'm talking a streamlined installer that is integrated into the OS
without using any command lines and only a gui. Let's keep it real if i have
to reistall at some point i don't want to have to remember those damn
command lines. I thank you for the input but it's not what i was really
after. This is something that linux distro will have to take in themselves
and the distros out will need to learn they have more to gain by
standardizing the install process then trying to be different when it comes
to that aspect. The end user is who dictates whether an OS is a success or
not, chances are Mac would own the market if they'd get rid of there
proprietary ways, meaning hardware. There afraid if they did DELL would buy
copies for there machines and ruin there name, lol Yes, they actually said
that when i called. But to be realistic i can't blame them they want
stability, but on the other hand anyone who knows computers knows that
custom builds are the best for the fact parts are easy to replace and much
better quality than even Mac if you get the right parts. Anyway to get away
from my rant, this throws me into a corner to stick with Microsoft. I want
open hardware and open source with ease of use, and this is not available
yet and lots of folks are longing for it. That and the trash-ware that
Microsoft put into Vista, and a small amount into XP.

On 9/7/07, Hugo Heden <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> Your question #12982 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/12982
>
> Hugo Heden requested for more information:
>
> I agree with what you're saying, though for me it is not a showstopper --
> I'll use Ubuntu anyway.
>
> If you're interested, do read the blog posts by Ian Murdock (who founded
> Debian) addressing the same issues, although from the perspective of the
> Independent Software Vendors, ISV:s, (rather than the users): Software
> vendors should have a way to package their programs in such a way that
> it works on all Linux distributions. To have to make a different package
> for all different distros just isn't cost effective.
>
> "[...] Anyone who has ever installed software on Linux is familiar with
> this song and dance. If it's in your distro of choice, you're only an
> apt-get or a yum install away from running it. But if not, you'd better
> know what you're doing, have a lot of patience, and understand how to
> construct effective Google search terms. (And, no, moving everything
> into the distribution is not a very good option. Remember that one of
> the key tenets of open source is decentralization, so if the only
> solution is to centralize everything, there's something fundamentally
> wrong with this picture.) [...]"
>
> "[...] our goal is to create a vibrant third party software ecosystem
> around Linux—you know, like the one Microsoft has built around Windows.
> No, it's not about imitating Microsoft. It's about being competitive. A
> platform is only as good as the applications that run on it.[...]"
>
> http://ianmurdock.com/?p=388
>
> http://ianmurdock.com/?p=391
>
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danielgd (danielgd) said :
#6

In Ubuntu, from a web browser, if you click on a link to a deb file (debian/ubuntu package standard file), GUI will install it, downloading additional packages as needed.

It will require your user password.

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Bhavani Shankar (bhavi) said :
#7

yes... But the question is different..Well thanks for giving me a push... I will work on this as a project in google SoC 2008...:)

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wwhats (wwhats) said :
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hi, anybody ... i can't install printer driver ( *.rpm extension) please help....

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