No start up text in Kubuntu 8.10 / KDE4

Asked by Kenneth Poulsen

Somehow it seems that there is no start up text during boot into Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.2.
This works very well on 8.04.1 with KDE 3.x
I'm not sure if this is a SUM issue or a KDE4 problem, but can't find any info about it, so I'll start here.
KDE4 is 4.2 RC1 - 4.1.96 but the problem was also in earlier 4.1 releases.

I've tried all combinations with the 3 checkboxes in Misc.

Just to make sure - the text I'm talking about is the boot information scrolling during boot.
On my 8.04 box it looks very nice just scrolling by just below the progress bar in the splash.

Any ideas?
(And yes - all 3 tickmarks are set in Boot options / Misc...;-)

Tia

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#1

Sorry, I forgot to mention the SUM version:

From Ubuntu Repos - version is 1.9.11-1

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Launchpad Janitor (janitor) said :
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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#3

Please let me know if you need more information.

I recently upgraded to "The Answer" - KDE 4.2 and this issue still exist.

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#4

I don't know if this is any use, but I actually noticed that the status message about fsck doing it's thing every 30. boot is being displayed correctly.

Somehow the theme allows for this message to be displayed on the lower part of the screen during boot.

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Jimmy Rönnholm (jronnholm) said :
#5

Could you paste the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#6

Doh...
I think we are getting closer here.

Manually removing the 'quiet' parameter from the active boot line did the trick.

Changing the first active boot line manually from:
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-9-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro quiet splash
to:
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-9-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro splash

So it is some kind of permission problem I guess - as I had to manually edit menu.lst as root?

Thanks for your help!

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Jimmy Rönnholm (jronnholm) said :
#7

I dont think so, sum should error out if not run as root.

You have a line in menu.lst that begins with something like # defoptions=
How does that line look?

Here is how it is supposed to work:
Sum changes the defoptions line, then invokes the debian command update-grub to make the changes for the autogenerated kernel entries.
Ubuntu has been changing the way update-grub works lately so if the defoptions line is changed and update-grub does not change the boot entries accordingly, the problem is caused by the changes done to update-grub.

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#8

Closing in now...;-)

My menu.lst

#color black/black black/black
default 0
timeout 3

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
## alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
## lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=vga=773 splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
## lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
## altoptions=(recovery) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
## howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
## memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-9-generic
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-9-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic

title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-9-generic (recovery mode)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-9-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic

title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic

title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic (recovery mode)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=0e21d6f1-dace-4535-8b25-39521b816beb ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic

title Ubuntu 8.10, memtest86+
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#9

I din't know if its correct that defoptions is comment out?

Notice that I manually removed the quiet option in the first boot line.

Thanks Jimmy!

Kenneth

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#10

Further information:

This is a Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid installed from scratch - no leftovers from previous versions I guess.

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Best Jimmy Rönnholm (jronnholm) said :
#11

Yup, the defoptions line is supposed to be commented out.

Anyway, now I understand what is happening. I tried it in a virtual machine too to confirm.
In Debian, and Ubuntu too a couple of versions ago, that automagic kernels list was completely rewritten by update-grub.
Ubuntu has tried to change it so user modifications are not overwritten, but this might cause problems for sum which relies on the old behavior.

Since adapting to this would mean large changes in sum, as well as separate debian and ubuntu versions, I dont think I will do so.
Well, we found the solution to your problem.
If you want another gui tool that is more compatible with this new system, you could try kgrubeditor.

Anyway, thanks for alerting me to this

Jimmy

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#12

Well we both got wiser and thats not bad at all...

I can see your point in making the changes to SUM, but expect the waves to hit the coast eventually...;-)

Thanks for all your help - and keep up the good work!

Kenneth

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Kenneth Poulsen (kenneth-poulsen) said :
#13

Thanks Jimmy Rönnholm, that solved my question.